video live – Marie-Odile Sansault : stop being a child, become a master


Soundtrack, recreated by speech synthesis

live video 2019/10/18
live video 2019/10/18


Some points of the intervention

What is a master?
Humans, still children?
Child posture maintenance: causes
Effects on our daily lives
Effects on spiritual evolution
How to transform the situation?
The advantages of being a master

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Automatic translation of Jean-Claude Jouffre’s transcript, not reviewed by the author.

Good evening, friends.
So am I live? I think so, since there is no more credits, so that means that now it’s up to me to talk. The sound is good, the presence of the viewers is there so normally everything is fine.

Good evening everyone and I am also asked the question of the cat which is not visible. Indeed, the viewers present informed me that the sound was good at home but on the other hand I was informed that the chat is not accessible.

We will deal with the fact of stopping being a child to become a master.

I’m going to talk a little more technical about the video chat this time. Tonight it is possible to ask your questions by appearing on the screen, so Jean-Claude has put the procedure on the TVJC website. Just go to the TVJC site, where you could click to get the image of YouTube and you will have a “ask your question live” tab. And then everything is explained. Well, it’s true that like that at first reading it doesn’t seem easy, but in the end, if we follow the procedure step by step, it seems quite feasible to me and I think you can already try to register to ask your questions.

Marie-Odile, I put the chat on the video in French so that if people refresh their page, the chat will appear.

All right, what good news! So, I myself refresh the page and indeed something is happening. So refresh the page, update the page and there, instead of seeing the YouTube ads on the right column, you have the chat. Well, that’s it, that’s great. So to ask his question, everything is well explained. I’m not going to read the procedure because it would be a little complicated and tedious.

The top chat that I recommend to change to live chat.

We’re blocked, there the image is blocked and your sound is blocked too. Definitely. Are you there, Jean-Claude?

Yes I’m here. Can you hear me, Marie-Odile?

Maybe, you can give me a little message.

Yes I’m here. Can you hear me, Marie-Odile?

Ah now I hear you, that’s it. I explained the things necessary for the cat. Besides, it was heard since people are writing. So Jean-Claude, I can’t hear you now.

No, but I’m fine. Now you can go.

Everything works. Thank you for letting us know that things are working. I can’t hear Jean-Claude anymore. Jean-Claude is writing and you can write to me. That’s it, I can hear you again.
Okay, we’re going to go because I think you can hear me, so I’m going to start the evening and I’m going to tell you the different points I’m going to make during the evening.

First we will make a short introduction, then I will explain what the notion of master is, then I will see with you how humans are still children today, then I will explain what generates maintenance in the posture of a child and which blocks access to adulthood and then to mastery. We will then see the consequences on our daily behaviour, we will then see the impact of all this on our spiritual evolution. In the seventh point we will see how to transform the situation and in the eighth point obviously we will see the advantage of positioning ourselves as masters before concluding and opening the questions that will be asked by you of course and welcomed by Jean-Claude.

So the current context. In any case, for all that I feel, there is a very strong push from the spiritual world to accelerate our evolution, to change our posture, to become divine beings, that is, as a Spirit to become gods in a way. At the same time, there is also a strong demand for care in society. For example, the movement of yellow vests we saw a year ago clearly showed how many requests there were to be taken care of, requests to have more things, to have more money, more means. In fact there was an expectation of something external and at the same time everything pushes us today to be masters, and to be autonomous, to take care of our own needs.

So it is a bit of a paradox and I think I need to stress the essential role of all the people who today volunteer to accelerate spiritual evolution, to give a boost to this evolution from human man to spirit. These volunteers, those who today are trying to change their consciousness, to increase their frequency, are people who will help in this transformation from the child’s posture to the master’s posture.

So precisely what is a master?

A master is a person who controls, a person who knows how to manage situations according to his will, that is, he does not suffer situations, he manages the situation in the present moment, he mobilizes his skills to achieve his ends, to satisfy his intention. And above all, the master welcomes the inspiration of his divine self. He knows how to receive the influx of his I AM to be able to act in his environment, to make sure that the situations he experiences are satisfactory.

The master is not someone who dominates, it is not someone who controls. There is a difference between control and control. In the control, we decide in advance
of what we want to achieve. In mastery, on the other hand, we manage according to the present moment and we bet on the fact that we will be inspired by the spiritual world to know how to behave, how to decide, how to obtain the result we wish to obtain. So the person, who masters, manages in the present moment and lets himself be inspired by his divine self. It is really a person who is connected to his I AM and who uses all his resources, of course his human resources obviously but also his spiritual resources, his divine resources. They are there at his disposal and at all times. The master is able to make the mind act in matter.

I also say that, for the time being, we were rather in situations, in childish postures and that we were not at all becoming masters. Some time ago the spiritual world, and I was talking about it on the last program, said that the global age of humanity was around six years when we should have been adults long enough already, we should really be able to become masters and we may wonder how humans are still children today.

What characterizes a child is that he or she is dependent. He is dependent on a parent, he is dependent on someone else and he is always waiting from the outside for the manna that will be brought to him. He particularly expects the ideal love, he constantly waits for someone to love him perfectly, he outsources his responsibility, he does not recognize his responsibility. The child he says: but it is Intel’s fault that I am not well, it is because of this that I am not happy. The child also says: well, I didn’t do it on purpose, I didn’t intend to do that, it was done against my will. That is, there is a side that is not completely responsible, a side that puts responsibility outside oneself and, in the same way that one puts responsibility outside oneself, there is also a tendency to put authority in the hands of someone other than oneself.

Give authority back, that is, we have the impression that we are people who are suffering and not people who are the creators of their situation, of their lives. So it must be said that, in the constitution of the personality, the child stage lasts whatever happens. If we refer to the transactional analysis model in particular, we can see that there are three states of the self in each person. In each of us, there are three states of the self. There’s Jean-Claude, perfect. Jean-Claude heard perfectly what I was asking him to do, namely to present these three states of the Self. In fact, there are three states: there is the state of child, which you see at the bottom of this diagram, there is the state of adult and the state of parent.

So, the state of being a child is the one we’re talking about right now. There are actually two kinds of children, we can even say three exactly. There are two kinds of children, there is the child who is spontaneous and full of energy, who is honest, who is direct, who is in contact with his emotions, who is affectionate and who is a child who is free. Unfortunately, very often we are not this free child, we are rather submissive children, either adapted submissive, i.e. we are very obedient to the external authority, or we are rebels, i.e. we contest the authority but it is in a way the same as the adapted submissive child since the child is not free. In this case, he reacts to an external authority either by adapting to it or by rebelling against it.

The child is submissive because he is the object of his wounds, he is still the toy of his wounds. I will talk about the injuries later.

At the same time as there is this child who is alive inside us, there is also an adult who exists, an adult who thinks, who uses his mind, who knows how to process information perfectly. The adult who thinks is not really in a state of mind: it is really pure thought. He does calculations, he is in line with logic, he gathers information and gives back information. This is the adult state, he thinks, he is completely in the mind.

At the same time, there is also in us a parent who exists in the person’s state. There is a foster parent, rather the one who advises, the one who will protect, bring affection. There is also in us a parent who is said to be normative, that is, the one who gives the law, the one who indicates the rules, the one who gives the duties, who eventually will also sanction. In the adult that we are, there are these three states that are constantly in action.

The master, on the other hand, can be said to be a being who is able to recognize these three states and manage them according to the situations. That is to say, sometimes he will mobilize his adult state by being extremely thoughtful, by being outside any affect, any emotion. And he will be able to make his decisions on this matter. Sometimes he will contact his free child and seek spontaneity, he will seek joy, he will seek that mischief that characterizes free children. He will also sometimes obey, for example he will submit to his I AM why not and he will also sometimes challenge a certain number of influences given to him.

That’s the master. He is able to touch the free child, the submissive child, the rebellious child. He will deal with that part of him that remained a child. He can also be a parent, i. e. sometimes he must be in support of a person, he will be able to bring affection, he will be able to bring protection, support etc.

And from time to time he will also be a normative parent, that is, the master from time to time will remind himself and others of the rule that allows us to be in good understanding with each other. So that’s to say that no matter what happens, even if we become a master, it’s not about eradicating the child. It is more precisely a question of knowing how to manage it, of knowing how to be the parent because we have the capacity to be the parent of our inner child and, thanks to these different states that we hold within us, we will have this possibility if we decide to be truly a master and not to be completely invaded by the child within us.

That was to talk about how we can actually take the child inside us.

I now want to talk about what generates the maintenance of a child’s posture. What is happening in our construction of human being and what makes adults not constantly assert themselves? What happens when we actually grow up and suddenly the child is stuck in our personality and we can’t take responsibility? We remain under the domination of others.

What generally happens is that, in our childhood, we have a number of traumas, traumas that sometimes block our personal development. Then we could represent the personality as organ pipes, i. e. several pipes side by side. There are pipes that develop well, that rise, that reach adulthood without difficulty and then there can be a pipe that gets stuck at a certain stage, at an age when there has been a trauma that has hurt us so much that there is an energy that gets stuck there and hinders the person’s growth, that hinders the growth of this aspect of the personality. And this blockage is obviously at the emotional and emotional level so much so that we have a personality with a mind for example that is extremely mature, that can reason very well, that makes absolutely magnificent calculations, that acquires skills to become an absolutely wonderful adult and at the same time, in a part of us, there is something that cannot be overcome, something of the child that will remain hurt and this injured part will tend to take power in our consciousness. In some stressful situations, in some unbalanced situations, we will be invaded by this injured child and that is when the person’s posture will be that of a child.

Besides that, another reason why we stay in a childish posture, well it’s a kind of nostalgia for paradise lost. When we are foetus, when we are an embryo, we are in a kind of biological paradise: we are bathed in amniotic fluid, we are protected, we are carried, we are fed, we are warmed, we have no decision to make and there really it is absolute happiness.

In fact there is no free will, we are in fusion with our environment and this paradise is lost as soon as we are born. As soon as we are born, we are no longer carried by the amniotic fluid and the uterine wall of our mother. We are no longer automatically warmed to 37 degrees, we are no longer directly fed by the placenta and now we have to breathe, we have to warm our bodies ourselves, we have to feed ourselves with external food and there is something there that creates a wound, that creates nostalgia all our lives with this navel that remains the scar, that never closes, the umbilical cord that has been cut.

Well, there is this wound that continues to haunt us and makes us regret that time when we were a baby, that time when we were really dependent on our environment, an environment that seemed absolutely perfect to us.

Injuries related to trauma, the loss of paradise lost and a third element that makes us hesitate to be an adult and even more a master is the fear of commitment, the fear of responsibility, to engage, to take responsibility is to move towards something that can be costly for human beings and therefore there is a fear of making mistakes, a fear of having too much to do, a fear of having to make decisions for ourselves and maybe to make decisions that will not be happy or that will overwhelm us. This difficulty in engaging and taking responsibility leads us to remain as much as possible a child and to refuse to become the adult, and of course the master, that we have the project to be when we incarnate.

What are the consequences of this refusal to be an adult and therefore a teacher that are emerging in our daily lives? On a daily basis, what does it do when we stay in a child’s posture?

When we remain in a childish posture, we remain an injured person who awaits the ideal love from others. So obviously, it is our parents we expect at the turn to love us unconditionally and totally, ideally. But as parents are often no longer next to us, we focus on other people. They are our friends, they are our spouses, they are the acquaintances we have, they are also, when we make a spiritual journey, the spiritual teachers we meet.

In fact, we remain in the position of a wounded child waiting to be repaired from this wound, waiting for an ideal absolute love, coming from a human being since it is a human being who has put us out of the womb, a human being who has stopped warming us, feeding us, protecting us, carrying us. We are waiting for a kind of human messiah who will replace this ideal love that we have lost and, when we see that every time we hope that a person will finally love us, it is the case you see, ah this time I have found, so this time I feel really loved, I feel really good with this person, really this is my spouse, this is the person for all my life, I will have him and, with him, I feel perfectly loved, it is great. Except that after a while, it’s not quite the ideal expected, there’s a disappointment.

This disappointment does indeed come from the spouse, but it also comes from work, it comes from our children, it also comes from the spiritual guide we have chosen to help us to blossom, to become the person we have to be. When we are disappointed every time, we are obviously unhappy and we tend to feel like victims. The characteristic of the child’s attitude is to feel like a victim, that is, to always have the feeling that we are suffering things, that we have not chosen what we are living and we are there in this dramatic triangle, which is well known, and which makes the victim say all the time: I suffer my life, I can do nothing about what is happening to me, poor of me, poor of me, I do not make a request myself, I encourage the coming of rescuers with me, I claim but I do not really ask, I do not take responsibility for my request and therefore I attract to me people who will save me, people who want to love in an ideal way, people who absolutely want others to be happy.

They are people who have an ideal of themselves and a very high ideal of the world and who want everyone to be happy and therefore the child victim attracts foster parents. We saw earlier, in the states of the self, the foster parent, and well the extreme of the foster parent, it is the one who wants to save at all costs. But the victim can also attract persecutors, it is the extreme of the normative parent, so the persecutor will come to the victim’s rescue, but in doing so will confirm that the victim is suffering, that the victim is condemned to be permanently unhappy.

The posture of a child, when we keep it, and if we are regularly invaded by our wounded child, we will be in this posture of victim, constantly attracting saviors who will feed us in dependence and persecutors who will prove us right on the fact that we are poor unhappy people who suffer the law of others and that we have no possibility of getting out of this great misfortune in which we have plunged the incarnation.

The other aspect of our daily behaviour is the maintenance of addiction. Independence can have multiple forms, it can be dependence on people but it can be dependence on the product, it can be dependence on work, dependence on activity, dependence on any form of dependence.

The child is dependent, he is dependent on everything around him, he has no power over what is, over what he does not have legitimacy, he does not have the means to be himself, to be strong enough to manage his life and therefore he is dependent. There is also something else that is characteristic of a child’s posture, which is denial. Denial, I must say, is something I am very concerned about right now. I have the feeling that denial, that is, the denial of our behaviours, the denial of what we are putting in place, the denial of an inner reality, the child does not want to see his behaviour. He still thinks he’s absolutely adorable, that he’s great, that he has everything for himself. He does not want to acknowledge that, for example, he tends to put himself in the position of a victim, he does not want to acknowledge his dependence, he does not want to acknowledge that he maintains his misfortune on a regular basis. This denial, for me today, is something that is very important. This is one of the axes of progress that is most important for us today, when we want to develop ourselves spiritually. Denial is the trend we’re talking about.

For example, one of the extreme cases is pregnancy denial, i.e. the inability of a pregnant woman to see that she is pregnant. This denial we regularly do on a number of our behaviours, for example I deny that I am angry, I deny that I tend not to stand upright, I deny that I stand in a child’s posture, for example I deny that I am a victim. Ah no, it’s not to feel like a victim, but now the other one exaggerates, that’s the kind of sentence you hear when you’re in denial, denial, which is a very dramatic form of lying to yourself, which is really very annoying in these times when there’s a need for the truth to explode, there’s a need for the master’s posture to appear.

What are the consequences now of the child’s posture on our spiritual life?

Well, it is clear that, as long as we seek the ideal love from the people around us, we cannot recognize and accept the love that emanates from our I AM, the love that is present in our soul that is incarnated and we continue to seek executioners. We continue to look outside ourselves for incarnate masters who will tell us what we have to do. We continue to hope that someone will give us the right conduct, will be our conscience director. We continue to wait for the spiritual rule to be given to us and we do not see how our I AM can come to give us everything we need.

This search for a guru is obviously quite dramatic because at some point the guru will either maintain the addiction or disappoint the person who chose him. So obviously this consequence is absolutely dramatic because time is here now for us to recognize our soul, the one that is there in our body, for us to recognize our I AM as a source of absolute love, as a source not ideal but absolute, unconditional source while human love is always more or less conditional, despite everything there are affinities, in any case a part of human love that remains conditional.

Another consequence is when the person is aware of his spiritual nature and behaves like a child. This creates a painful state for the person. There is a considerable gap created between self-awareness as a spiritual being and self-behaviour as a child and this gap is practically of the order of schizophrenia because there is on the one hand the awareness that I am an awakened being, that I am a creative being, that I am a divine being and on the other hand the permanent feeling that I am a victim, that I am not up to the task, that I am far below the average of others, that I will not succeed, that I do not have the necessary means, that I have too much disability to get up. So there is both this spiritual aspiration and at the same time this devaluation of oneself linked to the posture of a child who suffers the world, who cannot be in its verticality in the world and there obviously this schizophrenia is very painful and it is often a source of depression, depreciation but also depression source of a very great suffering and sometimes can go as far as abandoning the spiritual process by the belief that it is not for us, we will not succeed.

In the same way, when we wait from another person, we expect from another person, whatever that person may be, the incarnate Christ, that we cannot be, inevitably that person at some point will disappoint us. When we expect from the guru we have chosen, whoever he is, the one who will treat us, who will answer all our problems, who will solve all our worries and obviously there is a difficulty because the reality is that it is not true, this external person will never be the one who will solve all our problems.

We will sometimes be disgusted with the spiritual process because we rely on someone else instead of referring to his spiritual being, to his I AM, and so the fact that we are always expecting from the other totally prohibits the possibility of our unification, the unification between the spirit and the human being. The unification between the subtle being that we are and the densified being that we are requires that we do not call upon an external person as a child does in order to be able to effectively be the total being that we are.

And so here we are, it is really the fact of having remained in this childish posture that is a great damage to our spiritual development and even antinomic of our spiritual development.

So now we can ask ourselves how to transform the situation, how to change this, how to get out of the childish posture, how to finally become the adult we have to be and more broadly still the master we have to become when we are aware that we are a spiritual being.

The first thing to do is to recognize the injured child we were. I spoke earlier about this injury, the traumas we have experienced. I mentioned a trauma, but in reality there have often been several and there have been many injuries and there have been accumulations of them and the question is: now we have to recognize the injuries of the child, the child who lives inside us, he has injuries. It’s about going out and recognizing his wounds.

The wounds all boil down to one thing: the lack of love, the lack of that ideal love that we experienced when we were in the fetal state. But here we have to recognize the different wounds we have and recognize this injured child. To do this, we must listen to the profound needs of the child who was, at one time, abused, hurt, frustrated, and poorly received in the request he had. And when we were hurt in this way, we got used to wearing masks, we used to put up ramparts so we wouldn’t feel, we used to get away from our feelings because they were painful. So we have little opportunity to listen to the inner child who is injured and yet asks for a parent to take care of him.

The question here is that we must become the parent of this wounded inner child, the parent must no longer be outside and we must mobilize this state of the parent self, which we saw earlier, to help the child. Always, when there is a feeling of suffering, an emotion, a painful feeling in us, it is proof that the injured child is crying inside us.

How to do this? Well, you stop, you listen inside yourself and you say to yourself: what do I feel? What emotion do I feel? What am I experiencing there, inside me and what is the reminder of what I experienced many times in the past? If I listen, I will be able to identify the deep need that is mine, the deep need that needs to be reassured, a need for presence, a need for love, a need for trust, a need for recognition, a need whatever. There are basic needs, we could do a presentation on the different needs again, but I have already done it very often and I am sure that you who are listening, look, you are very clear about all this. But in any case, what is important is to say to yourself: but what is my need? And when the inner parent listens to the child, he has to accept the request that is linked to this profound need, which the child expresses within us.

When the parent listens to this need and accepts this need, gives the child the right to express this need, the parent will then be able to satisfy this need, in particular by seeking from his soul the necessary resources to satisfy the need for love, the need for security, the need for trust, the need for recognition of this child within.

This is indeed where, through the parenting posture, the foster parent often or the normative parent, because it may also be necessary to know the rule of the world in which I live, and there the normative parent will also be able to mobilize for the child. And it is with our adult that we can go after this inner parent, with our adult consciousness that we can mobilize the part of us that is an inner parent who will come to satisfy the need of the wounded inner child.

In fact, it is the way to also wake up the free child because it can happen that there is a child in us who is not heard either. And here it is also important that the parent can let the child live freely.

When the wounded child is cared for, when the wounded child is nourished by the soul, he can become a free child and he can completely recover his spontaneity and thus the adult that we are, the master that we are becoming, can totally rely on this free, carefree, joyful, innocent child who wants to live within us.

The whole question is to recognize the wounds of our child, to heal them by bringing what the soul puts at our disposal. What I AM AM, absolute love, infinite love puts at our disposal to be able to effectively heal this child.

It is a way of becoming a master because it is a way of recognizing our I AM, of honouring it, that is to say that there our I AM is totally ready to provide permanently the love we need, the soul is constantly mobilizable by us to bring the answers. It is therefore also a way of developing spiritually.

This is what is interesting, it is that the problem we have is also a source of spiritual development, that is to say, thanks to the wounded child we have to heal, we get used to searching for the spiritual resources of our soul, of our I AM and this is how we get used to being more and more in contact with our spiritual entity, with the spiritual being that we are.

In this way, we learn to become the supreme authority, that is, our global system, this Parent-Adult Child system, which is managed by consciousness, leads us to enter the supreme authority. We are the supreme authority, that is, authority is at home and we learn not to hand over authority outside ourselves.

In this way too, we will be creators, that is, we will learn to create situations that suit us and that are conducive to a vertical position, to a posture of master who decides his life and who is not dictated to his behaviour by situations or by other people.

Thanks to this transformed situation, we become the supreme authority and we are 100% responsible for everything we live, we are 100% responsible for our existence, we are 100% responsible for the situations we co-create.

What are the advantages of being a master? As I said earlier, there is no longer any authority outside, we no longer suffer, we become autonomous especially. Becoming a master means that we have the resources within us and we are no longer dependent on external resources. It is total autonomy, it is an autonomy that allows us to become a creator, a divine creator being every time. And this is a situation that is absolutely essential for any spiritual seeker.

All spiritual seekers will have at heart to be the supreme authority, to be autonomous, to be, we can say, a planet to themselves in themselves, a totally autonomous sphere that receives and gives back, that loves and radiates Christ, the solar consciousness, that radiates all that is given on Earth.

What is also important is that, in order to build the Aquarian Age, to live the Aquarian Age, it is indeed necessary that we be autonomous individuals. Dependent individuals is what we have experienced throughout the first part of the fish age and the individualization of people now leads us to be independent beings, autonomous beings who come together in a fraternity and can live together, but without relying on others, without letting themselves be carried by the group. The group is made up of autonomous entities and not of children waiting for food to be given to them from outside.

Therefore, for the Aquarian age to be built, it is absolutely necessary to get out of this situation of childhood, to become the master, that is, an adult capable of connecting with his divine self, an adult capable of embodying his responsibility, embodying his authority and living in good intelligence with other sovereign beings. It is sovereignty that is very important, everyone is sovereign and we live in a world where sovereigns interact with each other.

I’m coming to my conclusion. The experience of free will, which was willed by the creation of humanity, requires that man, the human being, be totally adult. We will not exercise our free will if we are in a child’s position, as we said earlier, unless we are a free child.

The free child, he is very little in power. In fact, our I am much more often invaded by the wounded child than by the free child and therefore, in order to be able to exercise his free will, it is necessary to assume the responsibility of the adult that we are, it is necessary to position ourselves as a master, who is conscious of who he is, conscious of the spirit that it is and it is necessary that decisions are taken under the aegis of our supreme authority, in our sovereignty.

Only the master that we are is able to decide to obey I AM, because there is this paradox in the spiritual process that is: I am authority and obedience. I am the authority because I am a master and not I AM is the authority and I human I decide to obey I AM. I decide to obey my own authority and, through my human authority, I decide to obey the spiritual authority that is I AM and there is only if I am a master that I can proceed in this way, otherwise I would be a puppet who obeys I AM and this is not at all what is intended.

The spiritual world has created, we have humanity with the Earth and the experience of free will to exercise our responsibility, to be able to decide for ourselves and not to be the puppet of our I AM. Our I AM will inspire us and we will do what we want with this inspiration, including sometimes disobeying it, which is not necessarily what leads us to happiness. But in any case, it’s always a possibility.

It is about us freely contributing to evolution and not suffering the evolution of humanity and the time has now come for us humans to be masters and effectively choose what we want to do.

Choosing what we want for our lives is what I had to say for the presentation.